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February 14, 2007

Emails From the Edge

I was rather harsh regarding Amanda Marcotte's complaints of being a victim regarding her leaving the Edwards campaign. While I stand by that assessment, the harassment she and Melissa McEwan (who quit the campaign yesterday) have received since this whole mess surfaced is really beyond the pale. I don't care what either Ms. Marcotte or Ms. McEwan wrote; there is no excuse for the kind of viciousness displayed on that page. Yes, I realize that is doubtless a sampling of the worst stuff, but I fail to see how that somehow makes it acceptable. We are, as George Costanza once observed, living in a society here, and whether we like it or not, we've got to live together.

I do not expect that people are all going to like one another. Hell, I can barely stand anyone outside my immediate family. But is it really too much to ask that we refrain from both vile comments and threats during the course of our discussion? If you're that worked up about something, let me suggest taking a nice walk or doing something else that will vent your frustrations in a more productive way. Or just be like me and bottle it all up inside, that's ok too. Trust me when I observe that letting fly with some rude comment, no matter how cathartic it may be in the short run, does absolutely nothing to resolve the problem and is likely to make things worse, not better.

Posted at February 14, 2007 10:23 AM

Andrew Olmsted

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It's long been my opinion that the population of thoughtful, empathetic, reasonable people is much smaller than thoughtful, empathetic, reasonable people think it is.

Posted by: Ugh6 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2007 10:36 AM

Thanks for this, Andrew. Since you have addressed the point I raised (in another thread), let me come back and address one of yours.

I agree with you that Amanda was exaggerating when she maintained that she was victimized for being a woman. (Then again, exaggeration is part of her shtick.) But what I see in the comments she received is what strikes me as a particular nastiness directed toward the fact that she is an uppity, potty-mouthed woman. Any man who had blogged as she did would have run into the same resistance from conservatives, no doubt. But I don't believe the vituperation would have reached the levels - or taken the forms - that it did against her.

Which in my view shows an element of substance underlying her overblown rhetoric here.

Posted by: dr ngo [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2007 03:25 PM

Dr. Ngo,

If she had made the claim that some of the vituperation she was receiving was because she is a woman, she would have been on solid ground. Although I personally would still have found the whole victim thing offputting; I dislike the trend in modern American society where being a victim has become some kind of privileged status.

Which isn't to say that she's wrong to bring attention to it. We're not going to fix these problems if we don't note them. But I take issue with her means.

Posted by: Andrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2007 03:31 PM

She has just spelled out her position a little more coherently in an article in Salon. You may find it of interest, though I doubt your overall judgment will shift much.

(I tried to embed a link, above, but am not sure it worked. If not, it's:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/02/16/marcotte/

Posted by: dr ngo [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 15, 2007 11:21 PM

Dr. Ngo,

The link worked fine. The Salon piece seems to be just one more example of Ms. Marcotte attempting to establish her status as victim. She seems to see everything through a very narrow prism. I think that she needs to grow up a little and realize that actions have consequences, and you can't spend your life blaming the patriarchy for the bad things that happen to you. Bad things happen to people all the time; sometimes they're deserved, sometimes they're out of proportion to the 'sin,' and sometimes they're wholly unfair. Life is unfair that way. I think Ms. Marcotte endured some things that were way out of proportion to her 'sins,' and I consider the vile threats and emails she received to be particularly egregious. But American politics is like that, unfortunately.

What frosts me more than anything, however, is that the way she has handled this undermines her (or anyone's) ability to make an important point about this whole mess, which is that there are a disturbing number of people who are still misogynistic and who feel no shame whatsoever about expressing those feelings. Yet Ms. Marcotte, while her experience in this case serves as an excellent example, has cried wolf so many times about how bad men are that her credibility to make a point in this forum is pretty much nonexistent.

Posted by: Andrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 16, 2007 06:00 AM

I'd also like to note that while Donohue got the most ink out of this story, there were many religious Democrats who expressed their displeasure with this hiring as well.

Posted by: Andrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 16, 2007 06:09 AM

While I don't approve of Brian's language, I do approve of this summation of some of the issues with Ms. Marcotte.

Posted by: Andrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 16, 2007 06:10 AM

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