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« Some Kerry Cred? | Main | Politics and War » March 10, 2004The Unceasing TorrentLet's perform a little experiment. All you need for this one is a hose connected to a water source and a slope. Place the end of the hose at the top of the slope and turn on the water. Now try to keep the water from reaching the bottom of the slope. You may start simply by placing your foot between the water and the downslope, but that will only divert the flow by the length of your foot. You'll need something better. Perhaps a dam running the length of the slope. But even if you're able to construct such a dam, as long as the water keeps flowing, it will eventually crest over the dam and continue its journey to the bottom of the slope. (Yes, I'm simplifying slightly, but work with me on this). This, in a nutshell, is the problem faced by those who seek to reduce or eliminate the influence of money on elections. No matter what you build in hopes of blocking the flow, the pressure is too great for the walls to hold. Granted, a court may place an injunction on this particular outgrowth of political support, but the money will continue to find ways to support favored political candidates. The routes may get more and more convoluted as our maze of laws grows thicker, but it will get there, nonetheless. The reason for this is simplicity itself: our government is so thoroughly involved in so many aspects of modern life, influencing the people who will run the country isn't just a nice thing to do: it's a matter of survival. Had Ronald Reagan been more successful, he might have been able to eliminate the Department of Education, for example; had he done so, thousands of bureaucrats would have found themselves out of a job. It should hardly come as a surprise to learn that federal workers tend to donate heavily to the party that promises to create more and more federal jobs. Conversely, as I noted yesterday, many businesses face issues with government regulation, so they see it in their best interests to send money to Washington in hopes of influencing future business-related legislation. And there are literally thousands of other interest groups, all of whom have a stake in what the government does, and all of whom therefore want to influence how the government does business. And one of the most effective ways of doing that is by spending money, either directly to politicians for their reelection campaigns or to PACs and other interest groups that will spend the money in attempts to get people amenable to that interest group's cause. My own preferred solution to this is to reduce the influence of the federal government on our day-to-day lives, therefore removing much of the incentives for people and businesses to seek to influence the government. That is not going to happen, however. That means we can either try to stem the tide and end up with people just going to more and more arcane methods in order to bypass the laws (laws which arguably violate our Constitutional rights), or we can simply open the floodgates and let people spend their money as they see fit. Either way, the money is going to find its way into the process. It seems far more logical to me to simply require people to account for where the money comes from when they spend it. Perhaps not an overly elegant solution, but it does have the virtue of being far less intrusive and probably far more effective.Posted at March 10, 2004 07:30 PM
Comment policyI apologize for only allowing authenticated commenters, but comment spam overwhelms the site if I don't use those measures to prevent it. I reserve the right to delete any comment, although generally comments will only be deleted due to use of profanity or personal attacks on people. I have no objection to vigorous argument, but when name-calling begins, I'm putting a stop to it. In the immortal words of Eugene Levy, "People, people, let's stop this before somebody says something untrue!" If you want to call people names, I recommend you get your own blog. Trackback PingsTrackBack URL for this entry: CommentsAh, but your operating from the premise that the flow can not be shut off. Posted by: Rook at March 10, 2004 09:06 PM But that's my point, Rook; make laws that try to forbid corporations from giving, and they will find other ways to donate. As long as the government is in the business of choosing winners and losers, people are going to spend money in order to influence those decisions (logically enough). Making new laws will just cause them to find other ways to do it, just as damming the flow of water will only divert it or delay it for a time. Posted by: Andrew at March 10, 2004 09:16 PM Two words - Flat Tax With a true flat tax, Congress would have a much more difficult time 'compensating' its donors without the volumnous and incomprehensible (and tree-killing) document known as the federal tax code. Identifying those elected officials who 'return favors' would be much easier to identify and scrutinize. In other words, dont try to block the flow of funds, just make what those funds are buying more obvious. Posted by: bains at March 10, 2004 10:49 PM Once again, I point out that a flat tax has nothing whatever to do with changing what's deductible in tax code. It's as applicable to say that "flat tax" will cure cancer. Or suggesting that if we switch from cursive to block handwriting, people who understand only Mandarin will understand us more clearly. What you actually seem to want to suggest, bains, is eliminate all deductions. This is not a "flat tax," which would instead eliminate graduations in the tax code, and by itself, do nothing whatever about deductability. "Eliminating deductions" and "flat tax" are completely orthogonal concepts. Why is it so many people are so completely ignorant of what a "flat tax" is? Surely it's not so popular because many people have no comprehension of what it means? That would be scary. Now I'm wondering. Posted by: Gary Farber at March 11, 2004 02:41 AM I'm still interested in the idea of letting anyone and any entity donate as much money as they want to whomever and whatever political entity they want, but simply require that it all pass through a single blind trust so no recipient has a clue as to who the donors are. It's not a cure-all, by any means, but it pushes back the main element of corruption a ways. Posted by: Gary Farber at March 11, 2004 02:44 AM "Identifying those elected officials who 'return favors' would be much easier to identify and scrutinize." That's, more than not, pretty easy now. People largely don't pay attention or care, apparently. Posted by: Gary Farber at March 11, 2004 02:45 AM I think people care, but who are you going to vote for? Bush? He takes money from the big fat-cat corporations! Boooo! Kerry? He takes money from the rich trial lawyers and deep-pocket unions! Boooo! Now Nader. There's a guy with clean hands! P.S. I think the flat tax was popularized by Steve Forbes who pushed it tied to an elimination of all deductions. I think that is why when people think flat tax, they think no deductions. I do think people understand that it also involves a real flat tax. I think most people think that the ultra-rich pay less than there 35% after all their deductions and loopholes, and would pay more taxes with a 17% flat tax after eliminating all deductions. That, I think, is why it is popular. At least here on the right (sorry Andy, but it's true) side of the blogosphere. Me, I'm for a log-linear tax with gaussian variance. But I haven't been getting much sleep lately. Posted by: Enrak at March 11, 2004 06:11 AM When you get so convoluted as to think in terms of a log-linear tax with a gaussian variance, no wonder you can't sleet! As far as money for campaigning (sp?), two suggestions. First, put all the money for a given party into one big pot and let the party hacks decide how it gets spent. Second, ban all ads from tv or any other media until two weeks before the election, at least for presidential elections. I'd like to see a universal date for all primaries followed two to four weeks later by the election. Asking too much I know given our penchant for holding four year campaigns. Sometimes I think the whole political process has devolved into part of the entertainment network. Nader is right in saying there is not much to choose between the two major parties. Thanks to the wisdom of the founding fathers, the federal government is too tied up most of the time to do anything really effective anyway. Let's enjoy the theater and let the money flow! Posted by: wes at March 11, 2004 10:31 AM I should point out here that the AMT is practically a flat tax (very few deductions and exemptions), only two slabs (26% and 28%) very close together. Yet the AMT is hated. I suspect a real flat tax would end up looking much like the AMT .. Posted by: Jon Juzlak at March 11, 2004 10:56 AM True, but the AMT is a flat tax that only applies to people making somewhere upwards of $100K. The reason it is hated is that it has never been inflation adjusted and every year more and more people are subject to it, including people who would never think of themselves as 'rich'. Dual-middle income families are more and more finding themselves at the tender mercies of the AMT. I don't think people would hate it as much if they thought other people were paying the same rate (ie, how a real flat tax would work). Posted by: Enrak at March 11, 2004 11:07 AM Gary, I'd agree that most folks are ignorant with regards to flat taxation, and that reducing deductions and 'flat tax' in common parlance are orthogonal. Yet a true flat tax is one which affects everyone and everything earning income the exact same way. I earn $50,000, the Federal Goverment takes 12%, you earn $250,000, the gov takes 12%, corporation X earns $1,000,000,000, the gov takes 12% - no federal deductions, no federal exemptions, no federal loopholes. Posted by: bains at March 11, 2004 12:39 PM "First, put all the money for a given party into one big pot and let the party hacks decide how it gets spent." That does wonders for people who are independents, or at least not mindless party drones -- which is most people, really -- who want to support various individuals and causes, but not others, in the sweeping and somewhat incoherent coalitions that our two parties necessarily are. "Second, ban all ads from tv or any other media until two weeks before the election, at least for presidential elections." Yes, all media, down to blogs, e-mail, and talking. There will be no problem whatever distinguishing what "media" is. Also, assuming one can magically accomplish this, there will be no ways to less overtly convey political messages and propaganda than through ads. No "political speech police" or "political speech courts" need be created, and half the country wouldn't wind up haulted into the relevant courts. No siree! Bullet-proof proposals, indeed. Myself, I propose a law that requires that everyone will be nice. It should be equally trouble-free and enforceable. "Yet a true flat tax is one which affects everyone and everything earning income the exact same way." Regarding an income tax only -- which is scarcely the only tax we pay -- why do people generally ignore that? -- it would take the same percentage of income, yes. I've written many times, and I'm hardly the only person to have done so, that this hardly "affects everyone... the exact same way." Enrak, you're likely right about the mushing of the two concepts stemming largely from Steve Forbes. I wonder if the reason he's dropped from public view is that he's taking part in that cross-country DARPA race now. Posted by: Gary Farber at March 11, 2004 01:22 PM Regarding "Federally collected" income tax only. Gary, I really dont mind paying taxes - I do mind governments wasting its tax revenues on pet projects, payoffs, and boondoggles. I've complained to Allard, Cambell, McInnis, and Owens plenty times - this pales in comparison to running into city council members or county commissioners in City Market and giving them an earful. The point being, I have direct access to and control over the local politicans. This becomes problematic the further up the ladder the pol goes. Those in the political stratosphere, are inherently insulated from the common folk, you know we the people. And if these pols happen to be in a tight re-election race, a savvy customer, constituent or not, can gain access via political contributions. Furthermore, this person can imply further donations may be forthcoming if the pol will consider some minor change in the federal tax code. Admittedly, congress would still be able to dole out the pork and paybacks, but that's a whole lot easier to see, and subsequently scrutinize. If you can curtail the way congress is able to payoff the financially motivated campaign donors, donations will (or should) diminish. Posted by: bains at March 12, 2004 02:27 AM |