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December 07, 2004

A Few Questions

Kevin Drum has a few questions he'd like answered in response to perceived conservative glee over the discussions over the direction of the Democratic party in the wake of Peter Beinart's provocative article. Speaking strictly for myself, I don't see why conservatives would feel smug over these discussions, but perhaps I'm just not in the proper mindset. In any case, while I suspect that the questions Kevin is asking aren't necessarily aimed in my direction, I'll answer them anyhow.

1. Considering how Iraq has gone so far, do you still think that American military power is a good way to promote tolerance and democracy in the Middle East? Has your position on this changed in any way over the past two years?

I don't know that I've ever believed that American military power was a good way to promote democracy in the Middle East, only that it was the best available tool for the job. In retrospect, however, I do now wonder if we would not have been wiser staying out of Iraq. I don't think this question is the no-brainer the doves claim, but I think that what I've seen over the past two years suggests that America wasn't prepared to do the job in Iraq. Given that failure may leave us with a worse situation than the status quo, it therefore follows that we might have been wiser to stay out entirely. I'm not sure about this, but I have been trending that way over the past six months or so.

2. Shortly after 9/11, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said publicly that they thought the attacks were well-deserved retribution from God in response to moral decay — as personified by gays, feminists, the ACLU, and NOW. Do you worry that Falwell and Robertson are identified by many as the face of the Republican party? Do you think President Bush has sufficiently distanced himself from them and their followers?

This may be my blue state background coming to the fore, but it's difficult for me to worry about Falwell and Robertson because I don't know anyone who takes them seriously. It is my opinion that the liberal dominance of entertainment helps Republicans here, because extremists on the right tend to be marginalized in the discussion in the popular press to a much greater degree than extremists on the left (see Michael Moore for the prime example of this phenomon). Having said that, I would probably feel more comfortable with President Bush steering as clear of those two as possible; on the other hand, I'm not aware of him being close to them now.

3. Is democracy promotion really one of your core concerns? Just how far are you willing to go to demonstrate your credibility on this subject? Note: President Bush's policy toward either Pakistan or Saudi Arabia would be excellent case studies to bring this question to life.

Democracy (or self-government, more precisely) is the core concern for me. I believed that we needed an Arab state where the people ruled since day one, and I stand by that. How far am I willing to go to demonstrate my credibility? That strikes me as a great question, since it now gives Kevin the opportunity to set the parameters and declare that, no matter how far you go, it's not far enough to be 'credible.' In my case, however, I have volunteered to go to Iraq or Afghanistan with any of the units that are slated to go, although I haven't been selected for any of those missions as yet. I would not endorse military action in either Pakistan or Saudi Arabia to press for democratic change, but I would certainly support attempts to open up both societies (though we would need some safeguards in Pakistan; I can live with an Islamic Pakistan as long as their nukes are under control).

4. On a related note, which do you think is more important to the Bush administration in the short term: preservation of a stable oil supply from the Middle East or spreading freedom and liberty throughout the region? Would you be interested in seeing the records of Dick Cheney's 2001 energy task force to verify this? Please be extra honest with this question.

I don't know, and I'll concede that this is a concern. As I noted above, I am concerned about spreading self-rule in the Arab world, and I think that the Bush administration represents the only game in town on this point. The Democrats are already on the record as saying they don't see any reason to push for democracy in the Arab world. The Republicans claim to be for it, and are doing some things in that area. It's a lousy choice, quite frankly, but politics rarely involves good choices. As for the 2001 energy task force, I couldn't care less. I think that the argument that such task forces need to be free to discuss options without having to fear political repercussions is valid, whether they're discussing energy policy or health care.

5. A substantial part of the Christian right opposes any compromise with Palestinians because they believe that Jewish domination of the region west of the Jordan River is a precondition for the Second Coming. Is this a reasonable belief? Or do you think these people qualify as loons who should be purged from the Republican party?

It's a reasonable belief as long as you accept the premise that the Bible is accurate. I don't subscribe to it myself, but I'm not ready to declare people who do believe that to be 'loons,' and I don't advocate purging people from either party (of course, I'm not a Republican, either, so my recommendation wouldn't carry much weight in any case). I do not think we should base our policy on such a belief.

6. Yes or no: do you think we should invade Iran if it becomes clear — despite our best efforts — that they are continuing to build nuclear weapons? If this requires a military draft, would you be in favor?

I think we would be unwise to invade Iran. Given our current commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't see an Iran occupation as feasible. Ultimately, I suspect we may have to accept a nuclear Iran, although Israel may have something to say about that. Kevin's second question is a false choice, but I am on record as opposing a draft an reiterate that opposition here.

7. If President Bush decides to substantially draw down our troop presence in Iraq after the January 30 elections, will you support that decision? Please answer this question prior to January 30.

Almost certainly not. Unless there is substantial evidence to suggest that the Iraqis can take care of themselves, withdrawal would be disastrous. Unless the new government asked us to leave, in which case I don't think we would have any choice but to leave.

8. Would you agree that people who accept Laurie Mylroie's crackpot theories about Saddam Hussein's involvement in 9/11 might be taking the threat of terrorism a little too seriously? What do you think should be done with them?

I think they're jumping to conclusions with insufficient evidence, but I'm curious what Kevin means by what should be done with them.

I don't think Kevin actually cares about these questions or the answers to them, because he thinks the answers are self-evident. That's his business, of course. Which is a shame, since I'm a lot less interested in following interparty squabbles than I am in hearing how we address the very real problems we face, because those questions are just begging for discussion from both sides untainted by partisan sniping.

Posted at December 7, 2004 08:24 AM

Andrew Olmsted

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I think that what Kevin is showing (at least it's what I would have said had I written the same article) is that Democrats are regularly required to own their loons (Chomsky, Scheer, to some extent Moore, Ted Rall) while Republicans regularly get to blow off theirs. It's a little infuriating for partisans like Kevin and me.

Posted by: Kenneth G. Cavness at December 7, 2004 09:06 AM

I can sympathize. But in all fairness, wasn't Michael Moore given pride of place at the Democratic convention? The party has no one to blame for its association with Moore but itself.

Also, I think that this is a side-effect of the liberal slant of the media. Guys like Moore and Chomsky are treated far more respectfully in the press than guys like Robertson or Falwell. This makes the right-wing nuts seem marginalized and the left-wing nuts seem legitimate, to the detriment of the Democrats.

Posted by: Andrew at December 7, 2004 10:36 AM

Maybe liberals are just more fun to watch. Anne Coulter may be nice to watch, but she can only say that I have committed treason so many times before she bores me. Liberals on the other hand always keep their lies and exaggerations fresh.

As for the other questions. I will give short responses.

1, 3, 5, 6, 7. I am unsure that force is ever the best way to make positive change and especially not for us in a region where many already distrust us. People often point to our WWII success in both battle and reconstruction, but the circumstances were different from those of today.

I think that they were a little more similar to Afghanistan than they were to Iraq. al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan and had a realtionship with the government. After 9/11 and when the Taliban refused to surrender Osama, we were right to go in and take out our enemies.

Unlike Germany and Japan, Iraq did not start the war. There are some that will argue they did or that they kept biting at us under the radar, but they did not choose this war. Germany and Japan chose the wars, lost, and submitted to their punishment. It was their acknowledgement of guilt that made reconstruction successful. Our role was to monitor and provide resources.

many Iraqis seem to be happy that Sadaam is gone, but angry that we did the job for them. Is it fair to us, yes and no. We were warned though and chose to ignore what didn't fit. I don't think we should have went, but that we have no choice but to stay.

I think we should smack Saudi Arabia around. I actually sometimes feel the same way about Israel. There are times when the actions of both not only hurt us, but also destabilize themselves and make things more difficult.

I believe that Israel has a right to defend itself. I think everyone does. I just think that when you kill civilians regardless of the intent and say it was your fault, that you are not helping. It doesn't matter if you were looking for a criminal mastermind, what gets played is the dead women in the wheel chair and the lifeless bodies of children. My peece plan for over there is to put our troops on some border between Israel and Palestine and shoot both ways. Can't be accused of bias that way.

Saudi Arabia has supported terrorists and helped build the Taliban. I would like to see if more Americans have been killed by Iranian or Suadi supported terrorists. It is not enough to crack down on al Qaeda when they are a threat to you. When they just hated us, they were fairly free to do so.

We should have told the Saudi royals that we would like to see a free, open elections by 2005. We can't say that we support freedom when soem of our allies are the most repressive. It feeds the belief that we are greedy hypocrites.

As far as Iran goes, I believe they were transitioning to a freer society before we labeled them as evil and empowered the Mullahs. I may be wrong, btu I thought their PM was a reformer who was gaining both popularity and power.

2. Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson are great. So is that Jones guy. They humor me for the same reason that Moore and those like him do, they don't even bother to make sense or think out things.

I don't know if that answered any of my beliefs on the topic in an understandable way, but I do hope it gives an idea od where I stand.

Posted by: Scott at December 7, 2004 11:29 AM

Interesting question is what happens in 50 to 100 years when the Saudis, Iraquis, etc. run out of oil This will happen, it is only a question of time. If they have made no effort to build a society where other types of jobs are available the current crop of governments will probably collapse. If we stop selling weapons to these governments then we should be able to let them go back to raising camels for a living.

Posted by: dad at December 10, 2004 01:29 PM

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